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Post by huh on Sept 20, 2007 12:13:23 GMT -5
.Love keeps no record of wrongs, God is love
^^Two direct biblical statements.
Can you reconcile this within your brand of Christian theology and eschatology?
If God is love, and love keeps no record of wrongs, will God keep record of the wrongs of those who deny Jesus, and blasphemy the Spirit?
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Post by kings on Sept 20, 2007 12:14:38 GMT -5
Forgot to log in
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Post by batman on Sept 20, 2007 12:14:48 GMT -5
Kings decides he is too good to log in....
I say no, but He could keep records of your "Rights" yea?
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Post by kings on Sept 20, 2007 12:16:31 GMT -5
Kings decides he is too good to log in.... I say no, but He could keep records of your "Rights" yea? Sure, but not in any way that would influence God.
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Post by batman on Sept 20, 2007 12:17:30 GMT -5
Explain that. Then by what are we judged?
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Post by andrea1018 on Sept 20, 2007 12:24:46 GMT -5
See it is those who DENY HIM. They deny the forgiveness and the love and therefor condemn themselves. God does not condemn we condemn ourselves.
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Post by batman on Sept 20, 2007 12:31:10 GMT -5
See it is those who DENY HIM. They deny the forgiveness and the love and therefor condemn themselves. God does not condemn we condemn ourselves. It's a very Orthodox view. "Hell" is made by us denying Him and realizing what we lost by doing so.
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Post by andrea1018 on Sept 20, 2007 12:36:51 GMT -5
That is exactly my view of hell. Hell is separation. But it also says that we cannot be separated from God, that He is everywhere. I believe that means that God is even in Hell however unlike this world where we can ignore Him. Hell we are aware and realize what we gave up. Imagine knowing that the love of your life loved you so passionately they died for you and you passed up on the best thing you ever had. That is hell.
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Post by random on Sept 20, 2007 12:39:32 GMT -5
i agree with you andrea but God can and has in the Bible limited Himself, a true representation of power imo, and so i think Hell will be void of His presence.
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Post by andrea1018 on Sept 20, 2007 12:41:53 GMT -5
i agree with you andrea but God can and has in the Bible limited Himself, a true representation of power imo, and so i think Hell will be void of His presence. Perhaps. It makes sense.
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Post by random on Sept 20, 2007 12:42:23 GMT -5
i also believe that you cannot assume opposites in the Bible to be automatically true. God chose us, it does not mean he didn't choose those who don't love Him, simply that He chose us. God can be everywhere it doesn't mean He will always choose to allow His presence to be everywhere.
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Post by andrea1018 on Sept 20, 2007 12:47:52 GMT -5
i agree with you andrea but God can and has in the Bible limited Himself, a true representation of power imo, and so i think Hell will be void of His presence. I agree totally. When we try to rely on our understanding. (i.e. the opposite must be true) then we try to put God in our own little box. That is a huge mistake the truth is God is a wild thing, one we cannot tame, cannot comprehend, cannot fathom. We need to just trust in the love that He offers. Even His love for us is unfathomable.
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Post by random on Sept 20, 2007 12:51:06 GMT -5
Zactly, for example, ppl put God in a box and say that if He is all knowing then He must always know everything and so on and so forth and it is not true, in the Bible we can see God can limit His knowledge, and that being all knowing doesnt mean He has to know evertything if He chooses not to, which imo is real power, to be able to do it as well as not do it at will, but ppl insist on looking at God in a finite way, placing man made definitions on Him and thinking that is all He is, it isnt trufe.
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Post by batman on Sept 20, 2007 13:25:47 GMT -5
i agree with you andrea but God can and has in the Bible limited Himself, a true representation of power imo, and so i think Hell will be void of His presence. No. Jesus went to Hell so there is no place left void of His presence.
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Post by random on Sept 20, 2007 13:31:09 GMT -5
His wasn't in hell, He was in paradise, and only on the one side of paradise.
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