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Post by batman on Sept 21, 2007 17:20:49 GMT -5
that's cute to always have as a comeback, but pics or it never happened. It's not cute, look up the theology of the Apostles Creed. I told you it, but you keep saying "nuh uh".
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Post by random on Sept 22, 2007 3:52:54 GMT -5
why do i have to provide your references for you?
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Post by chapdaddy on Sept 22, 2007 23:29:38 GMT -5
.Love keeps no record of wrongs, God is love
^^Two direct biblical statements.
Can you reconcile this within your brand of Christian theology and eschatology?
If God is love, and love keeps no record of wrongs, will God keep record of the wrongs of those who deny Jesus, and blasphemy the Spirit? God isn't the one keeping record
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Post by chapdaddy on Sept 22, 2007 23:32:58 GMT -5
Explain that. Then by what are we judged? Those who do not believe are judged (condemned) already... John 3 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
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Post by chapdaddy on Sept 22, 2007 23:37:06 GMT -5
i agree with you andrea but God can and has in the Bible limited Himself, a true representation of power imo, and so i think Hell will be void of His presence. to be void of the presence of that which subsists you is to be not.
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Post by chapdaddy on Sept 22, 2007 23:38:32 GMT -5
i also believe that you cannot assume opposites in the Bible to be automatically true. God chose us, it does not mean he didn't choose those who don't love Him, simply that He chose us. God can be everywhere it doesn't mean He will always choose to allow His presence to be everywhere. uh... wut?
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Post by chapdaddy on Sept 22, 2007 23:40:17 GMT -5
Zactly, for example, ppl put God in a box and say that if He is all knowing then He must always know everything and so on and so forth and it is not true, in the Bible we can see God can limit His knowledge, and that being all knowing doesnt mean He has to know evertything if He chooses not to, which imo is real power, to be able to do it as well as not do it at will, but ppl insist on looking at God in a finite way, placing man made definitions on Him and thinking that is all He is, it isnt trufe. God limited his knowledge? can you demonstrate this?
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Post by chapdaddy on Sept 22, 2007 23:49:21 GMT -5
i agree with you andrea but God can and has in the Bible limited Himself, a true representation of power imo, and so i think Hell will be void of His presence. No. Jesus went to Hell so there is no place left void of His presence. Ecclesiastes 12 5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets: 6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. 7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Jesus did not go to some place called hell
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Post by chapdaddy on Sept 22, 2007 23:53:45 GMT -5
He broke open paradise and took the ppl waiting for His coming to heaven when he set the captives free. he took the keys to death hell and the grave and released all of creation from that bondage.
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Post by chapdaddy on Sept 22, 2007 23:55:17 GMT -5
there are two types of hell in the Bible, the waiting place before judgement and the place that God has prepared for Satan and his demons. if i remember right the names are Sheol and Gehenna. The first place had two sides to it and was separated by a great chasm, and the part Jesus went to was called paradise when believers pre-cross were. And it is that part that He set the captives free from. this will never make any sense until you realize the spiritual truth being described here.... there is a forest among all those trees.
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Post by chapdaddy on Sept 22, 2007 23:57:13 GMT -5
the distinction was made by Jesus himself when he said he would see the thief in paradise that day, and there are many references to both places in Scripture. see the Ecclesiastes reference and realize that both of them left their bodies here on earth... no body, no soul. Spirit returned to He who gave it.
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Post by chapdaddy on Sept 22, 2007 23:58:41 GMT -5
and Jesus didn't conquer Hell, He conquered Death. lol... the same thing!!! death and hell are synonymous because those in hell are dead to the the life that has been given to all of creation through the incarnation of Christ.
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Post by chapdaddy on Sept 22, 2007 23:59:28 GMT -5
i would disagree, because hell is not broken, but death is. yes it is... that is the Gospel.
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Post by random on Sept 23, 2007 5:11:26 GMT -5
Zactly, for example, ppl put God in a box and say that if He is all knowing then He must always know everything and so on and so forth and it is not true, in the Bible we can see God can limit His knowledge, and that being all knowing doesnt mean He has to know evertything if He chooses not to, which imo is real power, to be able to do it as well as not do it at will, but ppl insist on looking at God in a finite way, placing man made definitions on Him and thinking that is all He is, it isnt trufe. God limited his knowledge? can you demonstrate this? He chooses not to know our sin, to forget it, and Jesus chose not to know the time or hour of his second coming. God can choose to limit His knowledge as well as His omnipotence.
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Post by random on Sept 23, 2007 5:14:41 GMT -5
i would disagree, because hell is not broken, but death is. yes it is... that is the Gospel. God created Hell, it was never out of His control, it was death that man chose that God needed to conquer so he could give us another choice. And Abraham's bosom was a place where believer's were held captive until Jesus paid the price and then they could go home with Him. They could not enter God's presence until the price was paid.
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