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Post by batman on Sept 20, 2007 13:37:16 GMT -5
His wasn't in hell, He was in paradise, and only on the one side of paradise. Huh? Christ broke open the gates of Hell. |
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Post by random on Sept 20, 2007 13:41:59 GMT -5
He broke open paradise and took the ppl waiting for His coming to heaven when he set the captives free.
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Post by batman on Sept 20, 2007 18:58:34 GMT -5
He broke open paradise and took the ppl waiting for His coming to heaven when he set the captives free. Dude, where are you getting this. From the 100's Christian theology has stated that Christ descended to hell. |
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Post by random on Sept 20, 2007 19:04:21 GMT -5
there are two types of hell in the Bible, the waiting place before judgement and the place that God has prepared for Satan and his demons. if i remember right the names are Sheol and Gehenna. The first place had two sides to it and was separated by a great chasm, and the part Jesus went to was called paradise when believers pre-cross were. And it is that part that He set the captives free from.
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Post by batman on Sept 20, 2007 19:07:50 GMT -5
there are two types of hell in the Bible, the waiting place before judgement and the place that God has prepared for Satan and his demons. if i remember right the names are Sheol and Gehenna. The first place had two sides to it and was separated by a great chasm, and the part Jesus went to was called paradise when believers pre-cross were. And it is that part that He set the captives free from. This distinction is not made in the Apostles Creed or by any of the first century Christians I can find. |
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Post by random on Sept 20, 2007 19:11:01 GMT -5
the distinction was made by Jesus himself when he said he would see the thief in paradise that day, and there are many references to both places in Scripture.
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Post by batman on Sept 20, 2007 19:14:28 GMT -5
the distinction was made by Jesus himself when he said he would see the thief in paradise that day, and there are many references to both places in Scripture. Again, that's not what I am finding the Apostles taught about what Paradise was, at least not in that aspect. It look to me like you're just inventing paradise as some other hell or underworld. Even the protestant movement, as best I can tell, stood by the Jesus going to Hell and breaking it's gates. Hell being all of it. Not just some version of it. |
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Post by random on Sept 20, 2007 19:16:15 GMT -5
Jesus himself described it, and the thought that it was a parable isn't there since parables were always labeled as such, and early church fathers did speak of the distinction between the two.
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Post by random on Sept 20, 2007 19:17:02 GMT -5
and Jesus didn't conquer Hell, He conquered Death.
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Post by batman on Sept 20, 2007 19:20:41 GMT -5
The Apostles Creed. It was taught as far back as we know, that Christ broke the gates of hell open and this creed has been interpreted to mean that he went to the "bad" hell or all hell.
I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord.
He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit
and born of the Virgin Mary.
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended into hell.
On the third day he rose again.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting.
Amen.
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Post by random on Sept 20, 2007 19:22:09 GMT -5
the word hell is never mentioned in the Bible, that does not state to where he went, even abraham's bosom or paradise was considered a part of what you could call hell at that time.
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Post by kings on Sept 21, 2007 1:39:01 GMT -5
and Jesus didn't conquer Hell, He conquered Death. |
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Post by random on Sept 21, 2007 16:59:16 GMT -5
i would disagree, because hell is not broken, but death is.
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Post by batman on Sept 21, 2007 17:11:34 GMT -5
i would disagree, because hell is not broken, but death is. As usual, the people who gave you the Bible and founded the first Churches (as well as Protestant Churches) disagree. |
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Post by random on Sept 21, 2007 17:16:46 GMT -5
that's cute to always have as a comeback, but pics or it never happened.
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