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Post by andrea1018 on Sept 17, 2007 21:08:39 GMT -5
That just makes you a weirdo. LOL why? How does that make me a weirdo? We "man and wife" (the analogy God gave us for the Lover/Beloved relationship he wants to share with us.) Become one. There is no you and I anymore we are one. Selfless and beautiful. What is not worship about that?
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Post by batman on Sept 17, 2007 21:10:56 GMT -5
That just makes you a weirdo. LOL why? How does that make me a weirdo? We "man and wife" (the analogy God gave us for the Lover/Beloved relationship he wants to share with us.) Become one. There is no you and I anymore we are one. Selfless and beautiful. What is not worship about that? When Jesus said all we needed was one prayer, it didn't involve sex. Another thing is that marital sex is wonderful, but that doesn't mean it is always (or ever, really) done without lust. And that is sinful.
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Post by andrea1018 on Sept 17, 2007 21:27:43 GMT -5
LOL why? How does that make me a weirdo? We "man and wife" (the analogy God gave us for the Lover/Beloved relationship he wants to share with us.) Become one. There is no you and I anymore we are one. Selfless and beautiful. What is not worship about that? When Jesus said all we needed was one prayer, it didn't involve sex. Another thing is that marital sex is wonderful, but that doesn't mean it is always (or ever, really) done without lust. And that is sinful. Well lust in marriage is adultery. But it also depends on how you define "lust"
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Post by batman on Sept 17, 2007 21:55:07 GMT -5
When Jesus said all we needed was one prayer, it didn't involve sex. Another thing is that marital sex is wonderful, but that doesn't mean it is always (or ever, really) done without lust. And that is sinful. Well lust in marriage is adultery. But it also depends on how you define "lust" Hey, I am just telling you the way the first Christians saw it.
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Post by chapdaddy on Sept 17, 2007 22:34:36 GMT -5
Well lust in marriage is adultery. But it also depends on how you define "lust" Hey, I am just telling you the way the first Christians saw it. yea... that is what I was trying to show her in 1 Corinthians 7 there is a group of women that is promoting abstinence after marriage.
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Post by andrea1018 on Sept 18, 2007 8:41:15 GMT -5
Hey, I am just telling you the way the first Christians saw it. yea... that is what I was trying to show her in 1 Corinthians 7 there is a group of women that is promoting abstinence after marriage. I find that incredibly wrong and unscriptual. God gave us the gift of sex in marriage. If we were not supposed to partake in it then why was it commanded? NOW. I do believe that celibacy is a spiritual gift, much like the gift of tongues and or prophecy. But it is not for everyone. It is wrong for anyone to "try to fake" a spiritual gift.
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Post by batman on Sept 18, 2007 10:12:34 GMT -5
yea... that is what I was trying to show her in 1 Corinthians 7 there is a group of women that is promoting abstinence after marriage. I find that incredibly wrong and unscriptual. God gave us the gift of sex in marriage. If we were not supposed to partake in it then why was it commanded? NOW. I do believe that celibacy is a spiritual gift, much like the gift of tongues and or prophecy. But it is not for everyone. It is wrong for anyone to "try to fake" a spiritual gift. Here is the thing I was trying to point out, though. You are deciding how important the commandment to sex is from your own 21st century worldview. The people who the scriptures were written by and for seemed to have disagreed with your stance.
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Post by andrea1018 on Sept 18, 2007 11:46:45 GMT -5
I find that incredibly wrong and unscriptual. God gave us the gift of sex in marriage. If we were not supposed to partake in it then why was it commanded? NOW. I do believe that celibacy is a spiritual gift, much like the gift of tongues and or prophecy. But it is not for everyone. It is wrong for anyone to "try to fake" a spiritual gift. Here is the thing I was trying to point out, though. You are deciding how important the commandment to sex is from your own 21st century worldview. The people who the scriptures were written by and for seemed to have disagreed with your stance. I understand what you are saying here. But do you really think that they saw sex differently? I mean think of it this way: They lived in one room houses.. or tents. They had many many children. Now.. where were these children whilst these parents where "making" these siblings? Right there in the same room. Jewish law basically said "don't be watching your Momma and Daddy to the bump.. just look away." Now do you think Momma and Daddy were embarrassed by doing "it" in front of their children? No. They thought nothing wrong with it. It was natural. It was a beautiful gift given by God. Now today I would not be getting busy in the same room with my son. I can't even begin to fathom it. But if you are counting on the views of the Jewish ppl in Christ's day then you have to take in account this common knowledge.
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Post by kings on Sept 18, 2007 20:59:05 GMT -5
Joseph was an old ass man.
The marriage was to care for Mary, not to mate with her.....or so the tradition goes...
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Post by batman on Sept 19, 2007 9:55:51 GMT -5
Joseph was an old ass man.
The marriage was to care for Mary, not to mate with her.....or so the tradition goes... How old do you have tradition making him, 40ish? I thought older but didn't bother to look.
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Post by batman on Sept 19, 2007 9:59:19 GMT -5
Here is the thing I was trying to point out, though. You are deciding how important the commandment to sex is from your own 21st century worldview. The people who the scriptures were written by and for seemed to have disagreed with your stance. I understand what you are saying here. But do you really think that they saw sex differently? I mean think of it this way: They lived in one room houses.. or tents. They had many many children. Now.. where were these children whilst these parents where "making" these siblings? Right there in the same room. Jewish law basically said "don't be watching your Momma and Daddy to the bump.. just look away." Now do you think Momma and Daddy were embarrassed by doing "it" in front of their children? No. They thought nothing wrong with it. It was natural. It was a beautiful gift given by God. Now today I would not be getting busy in the same room with my son. I can't even begin to fathom it. But if you are counting on the views of the Jewish ppl in Christ's day then you have to take in account this common knowledge. Yes, they clearly saw it differently than you as evidence by the fact that the church, even as early as 100 AD, was teaching perpetual virginity.
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Post by kings on Sept 19, 2007 19:01:28 GMT -5
I understand what you are saying here. But do you really think that they saw sex differently? I mean think of it this way: They lived in one room houses.. or tents. They had many many children. Now.. where were these children whilst these parents where "making" these siblings? Right there in the same room. Jewish law basically said "don't be watching your Momma and Daddy to the bump.. just look away." Now do you think Momma and Daddy were embarrassed by doing "it" in front of their children? No. They thought nothing wrong with it. It was natural. It was a beautiful gift given by God. Now today I would not be getting busy in the same room with my son. I can't even begin to fathom it. But if you are counting on the views of the Jewish ppl in Christ's day then you have to take in account this common knowledge. Yes, they clearly saw it differently than you as evidence by the fact that the church, even as early as 100 AD, was teaching perpetual virginity. I dunno. Old enough to be dead when Jesus was in his early teens.
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Post by andrea1018 on Sept 19, 2007 20:43:52 GMT -5
I just don't understand how this is important to our salvation? Why MUST she be a virgin till death.
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Post by Di on Sept 20, 2007 13:01:05 GMT -5
I just don't understand how this is important to our salvation? Why MUST she be a virgin till death. I don't think it is necessarily "important to our salvation."
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